{"id":69076,"date":"2024-05-13T11:36:13","date_gmt":"2024-05-13T03:36:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/?p=69076"},"modified":"2025-02-24T14:19:16","modified_gmt":"2025-02-24T06:19:16","slug":"being-with-critically","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/en\/?p=69076\/","title":{"rendered":"Being With Critically"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"69076\" class=\"elementor elementor-69076\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-0e47810 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default wpr-particle-no wpr-jarallax-no wpr-parallax-no wpr-sticky-section-no wpr-equal-height-no\" data-id=\"0e47810\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div 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size=\"5\">Joshua Cho<\/font><\/strong>\u3000President<br \/>\n<strong><font size=\"5\">Andres Tang<\/font><\/strong>\u3000Professor of Christian Thought (Theology and Culture)\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-ddc6583 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default wpr-particle-no wpr-jarallax-no wpr-parallax-no wpr-sticky-section-no wpr-equal-height-no\" data-id=\"ddc6583\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-3e662b3\" data-id=\"3e662b3\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap 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elementor-element-93f0294 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"93f0294\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-no-translation=\"\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<table><tbody><tr valign=\"\u201dtop\u201d\"><th scope=\"row\">Cho:<\/th><td><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\"><em><strong>How should the church, as a pilgrim community, face the situation in Hong Kong today?<\/strong><\/em> Should we continue to preach the gospel, or take part in the current activities? What do you think from the perspective of our faith?<\/p><\/td><\/tr><tr valign=\"\u201dtop\u201d\"><th scope=\"row\">Tang:<\/th><td><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">Actually, I would say, continue with your life. Are you leading a Christian life? How is the church community living a life of the chosen? This is not a question just for individuals. Just now I mentioned the book of I Peter, which points out that the church is a chosen community, the whole of which is chosen by God. This is what happened in His story of salvation. \u201cThe chosen\u201d is our identity, and we are being chosen out of God\u2019s mercy. But what should <em><strong>the life of a chosen community<\/strong><\/em> be like? In what way should we live?<\/p><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">There are two sides to the way of life brought about by this identity. First, how do our brothers and sisters spend their lives together? How do we build up, encourage and remind one another? How should we love, receive and forgive one another? Have we put all these teachings into practice? Or have we done enough? This is a matter of interaction. Or, could it be that we are actually lifeless in our interaction or is it simply that we don\u2019t have any life of interaction, except in ministries? This is a matter of community building. When our brothers and sisters come to church, do they find that they are members of this community? Do they feel that their lives can settle down in this place? Or, do they feel that their lives are being consumed at church? Doesn\u2019t the church community intend to give people peace and rest? This is an internal question, which concerns the relationship among brothers and sisters, and how they can spend their lives together. Externally, the question concerns how this community gets involved in this world and deals with it. Should she enter the world in a way consistent with her own identity? Or, should she act according to the customs and rules of the game in the world, regardless of her identity, once she engages in the world? But by doing so, she would lose her identity as the chosen.<\/p><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">That\u2019s not feasible, you may say. The way of life derived from the identity as the chosen could not bring us much result when we engage in the world and get along with others! When you use the word \u201cresult,\u201d you are prone to fall into the trap set by the world, because the \u201cresult\u201d defined by the world can only be achieved by leading our lives in the worldly manner. Do you want to have result? What do you think about the result of God\u2019s salvation? Is it amazing?<\/p><\/td><\/tr><tr valign=\"\u201dtop\u201d\"><th scope=\"row\">Cho:<\/th><td><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">I see what you mean. <em><strong>Internally, we need to worship God (a vertical relationship) and love one another (a horizontal relationship) and stay united. Externally, we should be aware of our identity as the chosen in this world and so our definition of \u201cresult\u201d is different from that of others. <\/strong><\/em> However, others may say that this way of thinking is extremely impractical and they may query if we should continue to worship, pray and love one another as usual, because many of our youth in this world are striving for the beauty and goodness of our society and yearning for greater democracy and more human rights. Aren\u2019t we pushing them aside in this way?<\/p><\/td><\/tr><tr valign=\"\u201dtop\u201d\"><th scope=\"row\">Tang:<\/th><td><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">This concerns the horizontal relationship. You still have to love your neighbors. But how are you going to express your love? Lately, the phrase \u201cbeing with\u201d has been popular at our seminary. This is a pet phrase used by Samuel Wells. But what does it mean? Does it mean embracing you, or putting ourselves in your shoes so as to know and understand you? But <em><strong>being with<\/strong><\/em> others does not mean without <em><strong>critical<\/strong><\/em> thinking. When Jesus Christ became human and came to this world, wasn\u2019t he being with us while remaining critical? Did He ever say, \u201cGo on sinning!\u201d? He didn\u2019t, did He? He walks with you and yet He does point out your problems.<\/p><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">When we are with the young people, the first thing to do is to know what they are thinking and doing. Sometimes, we simply don\u2019t understand them. They may have lots of values worthy of our support, but with regard to the ways they implement them, there may be room for discussion. In terms of beliefs, we may agree with them in many ways, but it may not be so in terms of practice.<\/p><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">Anyway, our \u201cbeing with\u201d them should also be \u201ccritical\u201d in a sense. In no way are we embracing everything about them indiscriminately. After all, what is the greatest thing about Jesus Christ\u2019s \u201cbeing with\u201d humans? It\u2019s His death on the cross! So, dying on the cross is a most complete manifestation of His love for His enemies.<\/p><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">Even if a particular group of people don\u2019t like us or don\u2019t accept our views when we get in touch with them, we still have to follow the example of Jesus Christ and persist in being with them, instead of shrinking back, just as \u201cincarnation\u201d implies \u201cGod is with us.\u201d<\/p><\/td><\/tr><tr valign=\"\u201dtop\u201d\"><th scope=\"row\">Cho:<\/th><td><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">So does our being with the young critically mean keeping them company without reproaching them? Can\u2019t we reprimand them for hurling bricks and setting MTR stations on fire? What does it really mean when we have to be with them while being critical?<\/p><\/td><\/tr><tr valign=\"\u201dtop\u201d\"><th scope=\"row\">Tang:<\/th><td><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">Reprimanding is not the only way; you may express your opinions and discuss with them. This is not the proclamation of your stance; instead, we have to explain why we think what we think.<\/p><\/td><\/tr><tr valign=\"\u201dtop\u201d\"><th scope=\"row\">Cho:<\/th><td><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">That means we don\u2019t have to make any declaration to point out their mistakes in public but should do so in private. Is that right?<\/p><\/td><\/tr><tr valign=\"\u201dtop\u201d\"><th scope=\"row\">Tang:<\/th><td><p align=\"\u201cjustify\u201d\">Let me put it this way. Are the young members of our church our primary concern? If there are youngsters taking to the streets and engaging in protests, do I know these guys? How much do I understand them? Why do they have such mindsets? They are the sheep we shepherd, and how much do we understand them? Or, vice versa. We can also ask, how much do these sheep understand us? Do they recognize the voice of the shepherd? Therefore, I would say, our solidarity with or being with them while remaining critical concerns whether we <em><strong>truly care about them<\/strong><\/em>, not caring just at this very moment but whether we have been caring about them all along; and whether these relationships have been existing amongst us, so that what I say today is not said out of nowhere and the care that I show today is not something that appears suddenly. Without long-term trust among one another, it will not be ideal when you express anything all of a sudden, no matter how well you present it.<\/p><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><p align=\"right\">Excerpt from Theology Salon \u201cTheology: What for?\u201d (October 28, 2019)<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-936bb5e elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"936bb5e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"768\" height=\"384\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/photo-6-3.png?fit=768%2C384&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"attachment-medium_large size-medium_large wp-image-69035\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/photo-6-3.png?w=2100&amp;ssl=1 2100w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/photo-6-3.png?resize=300%2C150&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/photo-6-3.png?resize=1024%2C512&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/photo-6-3.png?resize=768%2C384&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/photo-6-3.png?resize=1536%2C768&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/photo-6-3.png?resize=2048%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/photo-6-3.png?resize=18%2C9&amp;ssl=1 18w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5915d86 elementor-align-center elementor-hidden-desktop elementor-hidden-laptop elementor-hidden-tablet elementor-hidden-mobile elementor-widget elementor-widget-button\" data-id=\"5915d86\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-no-translation=\"\" data-widget_type=\"button.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-button-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-button elementor-button-link elementor-size-sm\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hkbts.edu.hk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/202008_eNews_Eng.pdf\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-button-content-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-button-text\">Download PDF<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>President Cao Weitong, Professor Andres Tang of Christian Thought (Theology and Culture) Cao: As a pilgrimage community, how should the church face the current situation in Hong Kong? Should it continue to evangelize and participate in its activities? From a faith perspective, what are your thoughts? Deng: Actually, I would say: continue living. Are you living a Christian life? How can the church community live a life of being chosen? This isn&#039;t just about individuals. I just mentioned 1 Peter, pointing out that the church is a chosen community, the entire community chosen by God, which happened in His story of salvation. &quot;Chosen&quot; is our identity, it comes from God&#039;s mercy, but what is life like for a chosen community? How do we live? This identity brings about a lifestyle with two aspects. First, how do brothers and sisters live together? How do we build up, warn, and remind one another? How do we love, welcome, and forgive one another? Have we practiced this? Are we doing enough? This is an interactive question. Or perhaps, we don&#039;t actually have much interaction in life\/lives, only interaction in ministry? This is a question of &quot;community building.&quot; When brothers and sisters return to church, do they feel they are part of this community? Do they feel their lives can settle here? Or do they return to continue draining themselves? Isn&#039;t the church community meant to bring rest? This is an &quot;internal&quot; question, involving the relationships between brothers and sisters, and how to live together. The &quot;external&quot; aspect involves how the church community intervenes in the world and &quot;deales&quot; with it. Does it enter the world according to its own identity? Or does it disregard our identities and act according to the world&#039;s rules and regulations as soon as it enters? But if you do that, you lose that chosen identity. You might say this is unworkable! Entering the world and interacting with others using a lifestyle derived from that chosen identity yields little effect! Using the word &quot;effect&quot; easily leads you into the other person&#039;s trap, because only by living according to their lifestyle can you achieve what they call &quot;effect.&quot; Do we need effect? Do you think God&#039;s saving effect is very powerful? Cao: I understand what you mean. Internally, we need to worship (vertical relationship) and love one another (horizontal relationship), becoming one; externally, we are chosen in this world, and the effects we see are different from what the world sees. However, others might say this way of thinking is &quot;detached from reality,&quot; questioning whether we should continue to worship, pray, and love one another as usual, because many young people in this world are striving for a better society and yearning for more democracy and human rights. Are we neglecting them? Deng: This is the horizontal relationship part; you also need to love your neighbor. But how do you love and express it? 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